The Rudiments !

[rhythmtiger]

Cheerio DRUMSENSE
Tutors and Students,

Here's how I feel about drum set artists learning ALL
40 PAS Rudiments. IMO, a drum set player need NOT
learn all 40, plus all those Swiss Rudiments
The great Roy Haynes told Modern Drummer in
an interview that he wished he would of learned
some of the rudiments, but I think Mr.Haynes
has done "OK" during his career, don't you

It's my way of thinking that a Marching Snare Drummer
needs to learn them ALL, a Drum Set Artist does NOT.
Playing a single drum requires independence between
2 sources, the left and right hands.
So, most strict snare drummer only players generally
play the Rudiments faster and cleaner than many
Drum Kit, multi sound source artists.

I recall Vic Firth's Head of Education, Neil Larrivee
saying that being able to play a Para-Diddle @ 350bpm
is one thing, being able to play a groove that feels
good is another.

All this being said. A Kit artist could master a single stroke,
a double stroke, a para-diddle, a flam, flam tap, flam triplet,
flam para-diddle and last, but certainly NOT least...
the "BUZZ ROLL" ...and sound good on the kit.

Certain styles and groove's require only 3 way inter-dependence,
some require 4 way inter-dependence,and some(listen to
Vinnie Colaiuta, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman) and
the term 5 way inter-dependence comes to mind.

One of the 'Groove Essentials' from the 1.0 is called
a Nanigo Afro-Cuban 6/8. It's groove # 43 in the
(my favorite)WORLD SECTION

This groove starts to take you into the "extreme"
inter-dependence world, as it is "poly-metric" !!
The bell pattern is in 6, and the hi-hat is in
4/4. I don't mind telling tutors and students alike
that I had that groove on my stand for 3 weeks...
til one day, after working on it, it happened,
I got it. Now, it's what I call "HARD-WIRED".
Meaning I can demonstrate it(slow, medium, fast)
and of course play it with that kick a** GE Band.
These guys are "STUPID GOOD"

So, in closing this post. Go ahead, if you want to learn
all 40 PAS rudiments as a kit player, feel free.
However, it's QUALITY over quantity that matters.

As Tommy Igoe him-self says on the 1.0 DVD,
"It isn't a race. You don't get points for playing
difficult grooves poorly(Songo,Nanigo etc.)
You reap HUGE benefits playing simple grooves
WELL ! Then build on the foundation from
there. Hope this benefits the tutors and the students
of DRUMSENSE! The Worlds #1 Teaching Method(s)

"Time for Tea"

[loudblackpearl]

A big hello to everyone, I'm a newbie to Drumsense, joined 2 days ago. I'm very excited, walking into the unknown world of teaching after playing for 34 years.

In response to rythmtiger's post, looking back, I wish I'd had a teacher to teach me these rudiments because I wasted a good few years teaching myself to play my way. I don't know all the rudiments and I can't read but I am now ready and committed to learn so I can teach a young kid what I at the time didn't want to learn so he or she are then equipped to create their own style using these tools.

Before now, like every drummer, I've almost worn out dvds, video tapes etc trying to copy intricate rythmns by, eg, Steve Gadd and I pulled my hair out doing a half speed paradiddle with my feet whilst doing a double speed paradiddle with my hands, then swapping over (just like Simon Philips showed me on his video).

My point is, although I'll never play these things while gigging, it has opened my mind and set me free, it's amazing how you think a rythmn while playing and all of a sudden you're doing stuff you've never done before. Speaking for myself, I believe you should never shut the door on rudiments or intricate rythms just because you think you won't need them. After 34 years of playing all I do now is play the simplest groove but I always practice stuff I'll never use coz it works for me. I saw Paul Carrack last night, his drummer Dean Dukes is the sort of drummer I aspire to. Excuse me for waffling and keep rockin tiger.

[rhythmtiger]

Cheers!
DRUMSENSE,

Thank you for then kind words regarding my post on learning the Rudiments.
Pat Petrillo and I are Facebook friends. Pat is one of THE BEST drummers on
earth when it comes to incorporating the Rudiments on the drum set.
I have a DVD called 'The Rudiment Project' that features Pat with Dennis
De Lucia looking on, observing Pat just nailing grooves on the kit.
He makes the Rudiments "swing" That should be the end
product of knowing the Rudiments inside and out.

On Tommy Igoe's Groove Essentials 2.0 there's a groove called
"Busy Hands / Simple Feet". Groove 52 Slow The Pattern is:
1 e an a 2 e an a 3 e an a 4 e an a
Ride Cymbal R L R R R L L R L R R R R L
Hi-Hat
Snare L L
Bass F F

This is a way COOL pattern once you FORGET your playing para-diddles with
a double right "thang" in the an a of 3 and the e an of 4.

As Igoe says: "You learn the Rudiments to let go of them".
Bottom line to me as a teacher and clinician.

"I'd rather hear a student play ONE rudiment well,
then 3 half baked"
> >
R L R R L R L L in the hands of a RUDIMENTAL genius
like Mr. Steve Gadd....PRICELESS